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tc · Oct 29th, 2003, 11:16

To:

"我这说主要是为了证明TC的一个错误认识，以为金融机构会越来越多变成primerica 的样子，他们只是多一些commision-based的职位。"

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good" --- Ann Landers

terry_fox · Oct 29th, 2003, 11:45

关于回扣和 “commision“ ，tc 说法是对的，其实我只是想用通俗的语言来告诉大家。至于两者的差别，对我主贴的论证没有影响。

commision 如译为计件工资，并不是很好，有点象三资企业女工做布娃娃，可译为工作量计酬。

tc · Oct 29th, 2003, 11:49

To: terry/fox

"我这说主要是为了证明TC的一个错误认识，以为金融机构会越来越多变成primerica 的样子，他们只是多一些commision-based的职位。"

我没有“错误认识“，而你恰恰说对了，“金融机构会越来越多变成primerica 的样子“

Primerica 的模式是“One stop financial supermarket", all the banks now start to learn from Primerica and Citigroup.

不是吗？越来越多的银行 not only change their function, but also change their names.

例如：Royal Bank 现在是：RBC Financial
Bank of Montreal 现在是：BMO Financial Group
Alberta Treasurary Branch 现在是：ATB Financial
.......

"commision-based的职位" 在银行和其他金融机构会越来越多，“Salary-based" 职位会越来越少，　这不仅仅是发生在金融行业的变化，而且是所有的行业都开始这样（如果情况允许的话），　就像我前面说一样：

Organization 需要提高效率，降低成本；人们要求高质量，个性化的服务；这就是趋势。

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good" --- Ann Landers

liszt · Oct 29th, 2003, 11:51

commission:中文叫佣金

terry_fox · Oct 29th, 2003, 12:03

这正是我要指出来的，

1）One stop financial supermarket
2) commision-based的职位的增多
3) 银行名字的改变－他们只是升级为集团，便于做更多的事情

都是银行正在做的事情，但除了primerica 以外，没有第二家再采用传销的方式来做金融产品了。关键在于传销，其它都没什么关系的

不过这已经离题了，我就指出到这里，大家自己判断吧。想深入的说不如就另起一个贴吧

TjHong · Oct 29th, 2003, 12:28

寓言:
国王答应满足大臣一个要求.於是大臣提出以下要求:
大臣只要一棋盘麦子:第一格放一粒;第二格放二粒;第四格放四粒;...;第64格放2的63次方.

国王觉得这要求简单. 但是...
有人发现人类有史以来种植出来的麦子远未达到这个数.

我觉得这就是"传销"的理论基础.

祝大家都能达到2的64方.

tc · Oct 29th, 2003, 12:52

This is "compounding".

Eistan said: compounding is the most powerful force in the universe.

That is how the compounded interst make us rich and poor. This is what we are teaching people to understand.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good" --- Ann Landers

terry_fox · Oct 29th, 2003, 13:09

compounding 就是TC所说的 leverage money中的一种。

不过要把这一套放到人身上，来leverage people ，那可就。。。

tc · Oct 29th, 2003, 14:12

Why not?

你能否凭良心说句公道话：

Primerica 的系统伤害了你吗？　Primerica

All you have complained is that you have "lost" your $199 and your time. But you have get your licence, doesn't that cost money?

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good" --- Ann Landers

TjHong · Oct 29th, 2003, 14:30

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tc:

All you have complained is that you have "lost" your $199 and your time. But you have get your licence, doesn't that cost money?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is it not enough that a man spent 3 month and got nothing?

tc · Oct 29th, 2003, 15:01

Why not?

这种　Leverage 会伤害谁呢？　你在公司里工作，你被你上面不知道多少人直到　the owner of the business "Leverage" 着，　其他人根本没有机会“leverage" 别人，你认为这样公平吗？　

Business owner, 要想赚大钱，他必须　“Leverage" people --- Hire more people work for him/her.
The more people he/she hire, the more "leverage" he can do and the more money he can make.
这是自然规律。　

Primerica provided the system that everybody (no matter who you are) can have an equa opportunity to try to learn how to "leverage" people, in any other traditional system, only certain kind of people will be given the opportunity to leverage people. 你认为这样公平吗？

这就是为什么“network marketing" 会这么有生命力的发展起来的。　因为它公平。人类文明的发展史不就是一部社会财富分配由不公平到公平的一个过程吗？

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good" --- Ann Landers

tc · Oct 29th, 2003, 15:02

Sorry for my mistakes.

I always hit the wrong button before I finished.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good" --- Ann Landers

tc · Oct 29th, 2003, 15:11

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tc:
This is "compounding".

Eistan said: compounding is the most powerful force in the universe.

That is how the compounded interst make us rich and poor. This is what we are teaching people to understand.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good" --- Ann Landers
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, here I spell it wrong for the name of Albert Einstein as Eistan.

中文翻译是：阿尔伯特　爱因斯坦，　我相信人人都知道这个名字的。　

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good" --- Ann Landers

terry_fox · Oct 29th, 2003, 15:15

谢谢TjHong , 损失还不止几百块钱和三个月时间，还有我的声誉。你看看我所拉的下线，天，我以后将以何面目面对他们啊。

所以写了这篇文章，就是要告诉大家,primerica 是有风险的，可能挣钱，也可能亏钱。

就象国内的股票机一样，每台都要标上：股市有风险，请君多思量。

这样可以让真正能做primerica 专心做事，不能做primerica的人专心做别的事，你不觉的这样会好一点吗。TC

tc · Oct 29th, 2003, 16:05

To: terry/fox

如果你把加入 Primerica 作为一种赌博，那你真是在冒险，如果你把加入 Primerica 作为你的事业，脚踏实地的一步一个脚印地做下去，你一定会有收获的。这个系统之所以吸引我就是因为它有一个系统能让老实工作，勤奋学习，努力上进的人一个公平的回报。

每个人都“deserve" 公平的回报.

如果你想“make quick money", 或者想“make big money without working",那末, 你来错了地方。

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good" --- Ann Landers

terry_fox · Oct 29th, 2003, 16:10

忍不住要调侃TC两句，有过份之处，见谅。

阿尔伯特.爱因斯坦是物理学泰斗，可是好象连钱都数不清楚，更没有什么经济学的研究了。你拿他的话证明经济学的东西，就好象到高级西餐厅里去定水煮活鱼－－这不是瞎扯蛋嘛。

爱因斯坦拿这话说明物理学规则，被你们硬加上后面两句话东拼西凑证明传销，哪跟哪嘛。

TC，你这样怎么学经济啊。论点不能证明论据，举实例不能说明问题，上回举足球教练的例子的时候就已经说过你的。

多做点分析，不要乱说名人话。说的不是地方，爱因斯坦会从坟暮里跳出来找你的。

调侃之处，见谅！！！

terry_fox · Oct 29th, 2003, 16:39

调侃了一下，回答问题了。

我从没说过加入Primerica 是一种赌博，我只告诉大家，这是一个骗局。对新移民来说，的的确确的骗局，只会损失钱和时间。

做这行的10个最多有两个成功，更不要说新移民了，你看看有少人可以留在金字塔顶的；赌博可还有30％的回报率，关键问题赌博是明的告诉你可能会有损失的啊，你们拉人的时候没说明会损失吧，而且还拉landing不到一个月的。对人家打击多大啊。

所以，我郑重告诉大家，这绝不是一场赌博，对新移民来说，就是一场。。。。。。

今晚有事，大家尽情发言，明天我再回。

tc · Oct 29th, 2003, 16:39

To: terry/fox

I am sorry that my last comment may have been too aggrasive, it may has hurt you. I did not mean to it. If it does, please accept my applogy. I am sorry.

I can understand your feeling. You may have been taught the wrong technics while you were recruiting and when you are quiting, you feel sorry for the people you have recruited. You are very kind, when you find out you have got bad thing and you have introduced the bad thing to your friend, you feel bad. The thing is that not everybody think the same. As long as you did not hurt people intensionally, people will understand you. Beside, Primeirica is not bad thing at all, you should not worry about it. May be one day one of your recruits will really thank you for your introduction.

Good luck to your new advanture!

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good" --- Ann Landers

learning · Oct 29th, 2003, 16:49

primerica is totally BULLSHIT!
我刚来的时候也被骗去听了几回课, 狗P 不通, 都是一些昧良心的人在做.

smile2kitty · Oct 29th, 2003, 16:50

我一个朋友做传销,他是由衷地觉得他的产品好,他也确实挣了些钱. 那又怎么样呢,我们这些朋友见他就想躲.但他并没有感觉不好,或者是没有感觉到.

如果PRIMERICA不是传销,为什么需要你介绍别人也进这一行来帮你实现你的目标呢?

如果你只是想学点保险理财的知识,为什么一定选PRIMERICA?它教的特别好么?那几百刀就一定值吗?

当然有人能做得好. 只是要掂量掂量,自己会是其中一个吗?身边的朋友都见你就躲的时候,你挣很多钱会开心吗?

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terry_fox Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 55 声望: 1285	关于回扣和 “commision“ ，tc 说法是对的，其实我只是想用通俗的语言来告诉大家。至于两者的差别，对我主贴的论证没有影响。 commision 如译为计件工资，并不是很好，有点象三资企业女工做布娃娃，可译为工作量计酬。
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tc Senior Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 187 声望: 0	To: terry/fox "我这说主要是为了证明TC的一个错误认识，以为金融机构会越来越多变成primerica 的样子，他们只是多一些commision-based的职位。" 我没有“错误认识“，而你恰恰说对了，“金融机构会越来越多变成primerica 的样子“ Primerica 的模式是“One stop financial supermarket", all the banks now start to learn from Primerica and Citigroup. 不是吗？越来越多的银行 not only change their function, but also change their names. 例如：Royal Bank 现在是：RBC Financial Bank of Montreal 现在是：BMO Financial Group Alberta Treasurary Branch 现在是：ATB Financial ....... "commision-based的职位" 在银行和其他金融机构会越来越多，“Salary-based" 职位会越来越少，　这不仅仅是发生在金融行业的变化，而且是所有的行业都开始这样（如果情况允许的话），　就像我前面说一样： Organization 需要提高效率，降低成本；人们要求高质量，个性化的服务；这就是趋势。 "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good" --- Ann Landers
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terry_fox Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 55 声望: 1285	这正是我要指出来的， 1）One stop financial supermarket 2) commision-based的职位的增多 3) 银行名字的改变－他们只是升级为集团，便于做更多的事情都是银行正在做的事情，但除了primerica 以外，没有第二家再采用传销的方式来做金融产品了。关键在于传销，其它都没什么关系的不过这已经离题了，我就指出到这里，大家自己判断吧。想深入的说不如就另起一个贴吧
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TjHong Entry Level 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 2,230 声望: 3833237	寓言: 国王答应满足大臣一个要求.於是大臣提出以下要求: 大臣只要一棋盘麦子:第一格放一粒;第二格放二粒;第四格放四粒;...;第64格放2的63次方. 国王觉得这要求简单. 但是... 有人发现人类有史以来种植出来的麦子远未达到这个数. 我觉得这就是"传销"的理论基础. 祝大家都能达到2的64方.
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tc Senior Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 187 声望: 0	This is "compounding". Eistan said: compounding is the most powerful force in the universe. That is how the compounded interst make us rich and poor. This is what we are teaching people to understand. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good" --- Ann Landers
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terry_fox Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 55 声望: 1285	compounding 就是TC所说的 leverage money中的一种。不过要把这一套放到人身上，来leverage people ，那可就。。。
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tc Senior Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 187 声望: 0	Why not? 你能否凭良心说句公道话： Primerica 的系统伤害了你吗？　Primerica All you have complained is that you have "lost" your $199 and your time. But you have get your licence, doesn't that cost money? "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good" --- Ann Landers
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TjHong Entry Level 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 2,230 声望: 3833237	<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tc: All you have complained is that you have "lost" your $199 and your time. But you have get your licence, doesn't that cost money? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Is it not enough that a man spent 3 month and got nothing?
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tc Senior Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 187 声望: 0	Why not? 这种　Leverage 会伤害谁呢？　你在公司里工作，你被你上面不知道多少人直到　the owner of the business "Leverage" 着，　其他人根本没有机会“leverage" 别人，你认为这样公平吗？　 Business owner, 要想赚大钱，他必须　“Leverage" people --- Hire more people work for him/her. The more people he/she hire, the more "leverage" he can do and the more money he can make. 这是自然规律。　 Primerica provided the system that everybody (no matter who you are) can have an equa opportunity to try to learn how to "leverage" people, in any other traditional system, only certain kind of people will be given the opportunity to leverage people. 你认为这样公平吗？这就是为什么“network marketing" 会这么有生命力的发展起来的。　因为它公平。人类文明的发展史不就是一部社会财富分配由不公平到公平的一个过程吗？ "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good" --- Ann Landers
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tc Senior Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 187 声望: 0	Sorry for my mistakes. I always hit the wrong button before I finished. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good" --- Ann Landers
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tc Senior Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 187 声望: 0	<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tc: This is "compounding". Eistan said: compounding is the most powerful force in the universe. That is how the compounded interst make us rich and poor. This is what we are teaching people to understand. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good" --- Ann Landers <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Sorry, here I spell it wrong for the name of Albert Einstein as Eistan. 中文翻译是：阿尔伯特　爱因斯坦，　我相信人人都知道这个名字的。　 "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good" --- Ann Landers
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terry_fox Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 55 声望: 1285	谢谢TjHong , 损失还不止几百块钱和三个月时间，还有我的声誉。你看看我所拉的下线，天，我以后将以何面目面对他们啊。所以写了这篇文章，就是要告诉大家,primerica 是有风险的，可能挣钱，也可能亏钱。就象国内的股票机一样，每台都要标上：股市有风险，请君多思量。这样可以让真正能做primerica 专心做事，不能做primerica的人专心做别的事，你不觉的这样会好一点吗。TC
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tc Senior Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 187 声望: 0	To: terry/fox 如果你把加入 Primerica 作为一种赌博，那你真是在冒险，如果你把加入 Primerica 作为你的事业，脚踏实地的一步一个脚印地做下去，你一定会有收获的。这个系统之所以吸引我就是因为它有一个系统能让老实工作，勤奋学习，努力上进的人一个公平的回报。每个人都“deserve" 公平的回报. 如果你想“make quick money", 或者想“make big money without working",那末, 你来错了地方。 "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good" --- Ann Landers
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Oct 29th, 2003, 16:10	只看该作者 #76
terry_fox Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 55 声望: 1285	忍不住要调侃TC两句，有过份之处，见谅。阿尔伯特.爱因斯坦是物理学泰斗，可是好象连钱都数不清楚，更没有什么经济学的研究了。你拿他的话证明经济学的东西，就好象到高级西餐厅里去定水煮活鱼－－这不是瞎扯蛋嘛。爱因斯坦拿这话说明物理学规则，被你们硬加上后面两句话东拼西凑证明传销，哪跟哪嘛。 TC，你这样怎么学经济啊。论点不能证明论据，举实例不能说明问题，上回举足球教练的例子的时候就已经说过你的。多做点分析，不要乱说名人话。说的不是地方，爱因斯坦会从坟暮里跳出来找你的。调侃之处，见谅！！！
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Oct 29th, 2003, 16:39	只看该作者 #77
terry_fox Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 55 声望: 1285	调侃了一下，回答问题了。我从没说过加入Primerica 是一种赌博，我只告诉大家，这是一个骗局。对新移民来说，的的确确的骗局，只会损失钱和时间。做这行的10个最多有两个成功，更不要说新移民了，你看看有少人可以留在金字塔顶的；赌博可还有30％的回报率，关键问题赌博是明的告诉你可能会有损失的啊，你们拉人的时候没说明会损失吧，而且还拉landing不到一个月的。对人家打击多大啊。所以，我郑重告诉大家，这绝不是一场赌博，对新移民来说，就是一场。。。。。。今晚有事，大家尽情发言，明天我再回。
terry_fox Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 55 声望: 1285

Oct 29th, 2003, 16:39	只看该作者 #78
tc Senior Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 187 声望: 0	To: terry/fox I am sorry that my last comment may have been too aggrasive, it may has hurt you. I did not mean to it. If it does, please accept my applogy. I am sorry. I can understand your feeling. You may have been taught the wrong technics while you were recruiting and when you are quiting, you feel sorry for the people you have recruited. You are very kind, when you find out you have got bad thing and you have introduced the bad thing to your friend, you feel bad. The thing is that not everybody think the same. As long as you did not hurt people intensionally, people will understand you. Beside, Primeirica is not bad thing at all, you should not worry about it. May be one day one of your recruits will really thank you for your introduction. Good luck to your new advanture! "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good" --- Ann Landers
tc Senior Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 187 声望: 0

Oct 29th, 2003, 16:49	只看该作者 #79
learning Banned 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 130 声望: 22	primerica is totally BULLSHIT! 我刚来的时候也被骗去听了几回课, 狗P 不通, 都是一些昧良心的人在做.
learning Banned 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 130 声望: 22

Oct 29th, 2003, 16:50	只看该作者 #80
smile2kitty Junior Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 4 声望: 0	我一个朋友做传销,他是由衷地觉得他的产品好,他也确实挣了些钱. 那又怎么样呢,我们这些朋友见他就想躲.但他并没有感觉不好,或者是没有感觉到. 如果PRIMERICA不是传销,为什么需要你介绍别人也进这一行来帮你实现你的目标呢? 如果你只是想学点保险理财的知识,为什么一定选PRIMERICA?它教的特别好么?那几百刀就一定值吗? 当然有人能做得好. 只是要掂量掂量,自己会是其中一个吗?身边的朋友都见你就躲的时候,你挣很多钱会开心吗?
smile2kitty Junior Member 注册日期: Jul 2004 帖子: 4 声望: 0