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旧 Dec 22nd, 2006, 22:36     #1
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默认 今天很倒霉,接到多伦多一家公司的通知

先来了一通什么WE DO LIKE YOU之类的,最后说BUT YOU ARE TOO EXPENSIVE TO US.

靠,气得不轻快

曾在卡城生活的中国人
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旧 Dec 22nd, 2006, 23:26     #2
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祝贺你,有给回话的就不错了。给你一个豆
豆在哪里?
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旧 Dec 22nd, 2006, 23:27     #3
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要价太高了吧?
没有多高,contractor 80/hour应该算多伦多的中等水平吧?

考虑到我要从calgary搬到多伦多,再低就没法干了.
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旧 Dec 23rd, 2006, 12:18     #4
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wow, 166K,我们都要一头撞墙了。
没有拿到的offer, pay rate = 0
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这个价也太高了,除非你是极特殊的工作,电脑我还没有听说过
这么高的,如果是体力工作那就不奇怪了
我公�...
那种体力活太高级,我没那个本事干。
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旧 Dec 23rd, 2006, 14:42     #6
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楼主给我们介绍一下申请的职位和领域好吗,否则我们只有认为你是吹牛比。
是不是吹牛作这行的自然清楚,用不着你在这里瞎摆活。

对了,我们公司做这个项目的时候,直接从美国请的consultant, 200 /hour
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旧 Dec 23rd, 2006, 14:45     #7
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How do you move from China to Canada? From Calgary to Toronto is not a big deal.
来这里主要是提高下英文,看看鬼子的项目是怎么做的。

但卡加里和多伦多之间,就无所谓了。不过也是想去看看,回国前加拿大几个城市,都想去看看,不是旅游,而是在那生活一段时间。
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旧 Dec 23rd, 2006, 14:51     #8
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现在流行搬到calgary,你怎么逆潮流?

一个地方呆的时间长了就烦。
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旧 Dec 23rd, 2006, 15:28     #9
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你说的那么热闹, 为什么忘了说你的职位和领域呢?说出来不丢人吧?
只是觉得和你说丢人。
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老大, IT里分类多了去了。一般程序员撑死了5,6万。
无知了吧?对developer来说,permanent和contractor是明显有区别的。

对了,我个人所知的calgary IT行业的最高时薪恰恰就是你所谓的一般developer创造的,SAP PORTAL DEVELOPER,曾经创造过250/HOUR的纪录。
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是无知了。一个破程序员,给你200块一个小时, 那老板不是钱太多花不出去, 就是大脑有问题。 对了, 不�...
看样子你更熟悉鸡的价格而不是程序员的价格, 还真的是术业有专攻,大家所在行业不一样就是不一样。
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旧 Dec 23rd, 2006, 16:59     #12
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那好吧, 你挣那么多是你的本事, 但愿你永远挣那么多。

卡尔加里现在够冷的吧? 对了, 你跟我说沙特阿拉�...

哈哈,你到说对了,如果去沙特,我会开得比多伦多再高一点. 多伦多的气候虽然比卡加里差,但孬好比沙特还强点.

另外,IT行业没有什么是永远的,能把握现在就不错.
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吹牛比发展到楼主这个份上也算是费尽脑汁了, 鼓励一下吧。他的收入能比挣10块一个小时的是强多了。
有必要用一个没到手的offer吹?

就算你说那工作是1000/hour, 仍然是一个没到手的offer, pay rate = 0.

哪又是在吹什么呢?吹多伦多的IT市场牛B?
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现在有一个合同对方愿意出60,结果我报了一个50+,没有
想到对方竟然误会了,从此不提60元,现在我有一个不错...
理论上, 只有 CPP/EI/VACATION和BENEFIT的区别,但工作压力是不一样的。

因为业务原因,公司随时可以中止CONTRACTOR的工作,因为你和公司的关系属于BUSSINESS。
一般来说,半年的CONTRACTOR, PERMANENT RATE * 150% 。
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CONTRACTOR至少要高50%才行,主要是你不能一个CONTRACTOR之后马上就有另一个CONTRACTOR,中间可能休息。 80/小时的CONTRACT...
不光是休息,contractor没有培训的机会,如果想提高,培训的费用要自己掏。

嗬嗬,不过昨天我已经离开卡加里,现在在旧金山。各位Merry chirstmas, happy new year的时候再回去和你们一起庆祝了。
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没想到,这坑深成这个样子。

各位,圣诞节没事的,继续努力。
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我对contract工作很有兴趣,不过看了半天,并没有看到很具体的描述。

目前看来:
1。contract要偏门才好,不过真偏了,那就是要么撑死要么饿死-----谁能保证自己不是被饿死的一个?
2。contract对综合能力要求极高,要语言好,社交强,技术也过得去才行,否则人家不肯跟你合作,吃了上顿没下顿。
3。对agent依赖性比较大。大家都是牛人,牛人肯定有牛脾气,没有个agent主持分赃,谁服谁啊?
4。要经常找工作,不过假期也多。

结论:风险太大,高端需求太少,不值得冒险,除非万不得已。
这个问题,我觉得是这个样子,contractor的薪水比permanent高,但不会高到不合理的程度,一般来说,半年的contractor薪水比半年的permanent高50%。这样扣除到你自己需要交的CPP, EI,以及给自己买的各种保险,就去百分之十几,剩下的就是你多赚的,当然了,一般来说,作为contrator,你应该incorporated或者self-employeed,这样你很多费用可以被抵扣不用缴税,比如说培训,车的费用。

说到风险,contractor的风险的确大,可换句话说,正常情况下,如果是3个月的contractor就决不会只高50%,而一年的contractor比permanent只高35%左右也是正常的。

另外,所谓的偏门,怎么去理解这个偏门,我觉得每个人都有不同的看法的。打个比方说,一个senior j2ee developer, 做半年的contrator,估计也就是50-70左右的水平,但这种工作并不是很难找,收入却不是那么理想。但如果2005/2006 他以senior portal developer的身份出现,那么100块左右也是可能的,那么这中间有多大的区别呢?我觉得半个月的培训加上4个月的portal经验就完全可以,当然,有人会说,4个月算什么senior,尽管从vignette第一个portal server到现在已经不少时间了,但请别忘记jsr168 speicification 的final release什么时候才有的?当然,如果根本就不是senior j2ee developer出身,你就是干上半年是否能算senior的portal developer也不好说。当然,与此同时的问题就是这种机会可能不如J2EE DEVELOPER那么多,那么很有可能你干完了一个PORTAL的项目,然后回来又的干J2EE的项目。

简单的说,作CONTRACTOR,一要有平常心,能赚的时候就赚,找不到项目,不是特别赚钱的东西也的干,学偏门的东西不代表放弃基础的东西, 谁的基础扎实,谁的风险就小。 二是要随时提高自己,新东西能要个好价钱的时间并不长,从这点上来说,谁接受新东西快,谁赚大钱的机会就多。

我来加拿大2年半,先后换了三家公司,干了2个CONTRACTOR和工作,两个PERMANENT的工作,并不是什么偏门的工作,基本上都是比较大路的技术,只是有些比较特殊的产品,有这种产品工作经验的人不多,或者说人家不屑于在这个水平上我这个移民竞争,技术工作上,感觉和中国区别不大,当然,我英语不大好,这是一个比较大的障碍,不知道谁有什么好办法提高英语的?
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我很客观看待你这个contractor工作挣钱多的问题,上来随便讲讲, 没想到一帮眼红的上来敲板砖, 呵呵, 老哥, 我眼红圮..
客气了,有空大家互相交流.

至于所谓的板砖,有空就拍拍,没空就光看看热闹.
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问题是这个senior j2ee developer 为啥要去做半年的contrator,是为了那半年多赚些钱,还是当时失业了,碰巧找到了这乮..
一般来说,是这个senior j2ee developer在作permanent的时候接触了一些比较先进的东西,凑巧,市场又很缺这个,比如说,作senior j2ee permenant, 80k, senoior j2ee developer contractor 65/hour, 但作permanent期间接受了sap portal的培训,又有了半年工作经验,这是良好的工作经验给了你潜在的赚钱的机会,但怎么把它转换成货币,还要看你自己。
比如说这时候sap portal developer的contractor offer是120/hour,半年,你干不干? 90/hour你干不干?

当然了,这个东西是因人而异的,对很多移民来说,加拿大是终生归宿,有个稳定的工作也不错,但对我来说,加拿大只是一个暂时的停靠站点,稳定不稳定无所谓,只要工作我喜欢,钱多就好. 不过严格的说,IT这个行业,哪有什么稳定的工作.
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各位,非常抱歉挖了这么大一个坑,如果导致大家在这里有什么不愉快,我非常抱歉。

各位,建议一下,我们是不是停止这种讨论?我觉得没有多大的意思。

参与讨论的大部分都是IT人士, 大家如果有空多做点技术上的研讨,肯定比这个对赚钱有帮助。

建议大家能不能针对目前比较热的技术话题开几个帖子?
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