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旧 Oct 25th, 2009, 23:13     #1
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Smile 【求助】这还有人玩胆机吗?

这东西重,现在不回国,也不好带。还想在这里搞一台。
有人玩吗?请推荐一下。想省钱,买散件装的不知能达到的效果如何?这里有:http://www.tubedepot.com/tubeampkits.html
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旧 Oct 26th, 2009, 07:57   只看该作者   #2
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胆机的关键是输出牛,和电子管, 北美这两项都是弱势,
国内3000-4000元的,和这个网站上1300刀的类似

还是国内搞一台。
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这边玩这个还真不少!

现在大功率mosfet效果不比胆机差多少,还有很多其他优点。
更新的是高效率的数字放大器。要我,我就弄新技术了。。。。

 

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半导体的功率也可以很大,灯泡除了费点电,没啥优点。
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当然有,

要的就是那种复古怀旧的那个感觉。

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半导体的功率也可以很大,灯泡除了费点电,没啥优点。
你们这都不是爱好者的话。

胆机的优点是它迷人的音色,温暖的中音对于表现人声会让人上瘾,还有它强大的推力。你要是只看它的指标,可以用惨不忍睹来形容,很大的谐波失真,很小的功率,也许只有10瓦,20瓦每声道。但是单端A类的10瓦和AB类10瓦的概念是不一样的,A类10瓦的胆机推动电流很大,这个10瓦的推力赶得上晶体管70,80瓦的功率。它那个惨不忍睹的THD标称值正是迷人中音的来源。

不过音响的搭配很重要。我曾经琢磨过从国内弄台雅琴过来,不过我的宝华B&W箱子很挑功放,比较难推,功放稍微控制力差点,声音就不能听,低音肥,高音过亮。也试过不少前后级,B&K的2X200瓦纯后级加PROCEED双声道前级出来的效果还不及一台雅马哈AX590的合并式功放。B&K声音很暖,接近胆机音色,但是速度慢,加上宝华的喇叭速度也慢,配起来就不行。雅马哈速度快,控制力反而比B&K强。要知道这台雅马哈AX590的MSRP差不多500加币,而那台PROCEED和B&K每台的价格都得过千,过2000也说不定。

配来配去的结果,胆机最终还是决定放弃了,就我这对宝华603,如果胆机去推,估计什么细节都没了,光剩轰轰的低音了。而且看中的雅琴MC-10T虽然标称是52W每声道功率,但是是推挽出来的,不是单端的。现在就拿雅马哈AX590做后级,用雅马哈RX-V1影院做前级,影院和音乐兼顾,还算可以。找机会搞台ROTEL 2X200瓦就差不多了,看起来B&W公司自己推荐和它搭配的功放首选ROTEL,次选YAMAHA还是相当有道理的。B&K 2X200瓦纯后级败给YAMAHA AX590的2X100瓦合并式功放,搭配实在很关键。
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玩胆机就得全面推倒重来.以前有人说,挂个胆机前级.后级晶体管...取其各优.好久不碰了.现在趋势咋样已经不知道了...就知道,太花钱.
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现在大功率mosfet效果不比胆机差多少,还有很多其他优点。
更新的是高效率的数字放大器。要我,我就弄新技术了。。。。

 
一般的店都没发现有卖的。BB, FS都没有,2001audiovideo算专门店,也没发现 。很多东西不玩过还是遗憾,当年没玩黑胶唱片(只顾翻录音带)就是。
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一般的店都没发现有卖的。BB, FS都没有,2001audiovideo算专门店,也没发现 。很多东西不玩过还是遗憾,当年没玩黑胶唱片(只顾翻录音带)就是。
那是肯定的.胆机本来就是高风险高成本的东西.FS怎么会卖这些东西.人家回去灯丝随便就烧掉拿回来换,FS还不哭死....

而且以前国内都用拆机,军品电子管.以前看老外也都是用俄罗斯的军品.民用的太差,老烧.没人玩的.
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胆机线路很简单, 连线路板都不用,

但那个输出牛,很有讲究, 各个胆机高手差异就在输出牛,高手都有套自己的经验

国内卖胆机套件不少
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刚看到一家音响店,有卖胆机的, McIntoch的, 价格嘛.........

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刚看到一家音响店,有卖胆机的, McIntoch的, 价格嘛.........
where? 去看看。
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真的要听音质,还得去现场....

前几天去给海顿的歌剧拍照,就在乐池的边上拍指挥,那弦乐,那古钢琴....虽然不是很高水平的乐队,但是感觉比听音响强太多了。10块钱一张票,一台音响的钱能看很多场呢

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where? 去看看。
Star Electronics - 845 The Queensway, Toronto, Ontario
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看到了。不知价格。
http://www.star-electronics.ca/?pageID=Stereo_Hi-Fi
这里 贵吗?
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真的要听音质,还得去现场....

前几天去给海顿的歌剧拍照,就在乐池的边上拍指挥,那弦乐,那古钢琴....虽然不是很高水平的乐队,但是感觉比听音响强太多了。10块钱一张票,一台音响的钱能看很多场呢
我知道现场当然好,是没有扩音的那种。但是住得远,从山寨出一趟城不容易啊。

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McIntoch 6500 $4500,tannoy的音箱$3000多,不记得型号了。
胆机在楼下,大概也在3~4千,cambridge audio有一款cd+合并功放的, 加上音箱大概差不多$1000

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胆机还好办,弄个听音的地方比较难.

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到这里看看吧----canuckaudiomart.com
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