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旧 Sep 4th, 2009, 15:28     #1
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关键在于对冲,即得尔他对冲,LONG SHORT结合,股票的涨跌对组合不起任何作用,

TRADE TIME VALUE AND VOLATILITY

到那时: 宠辱不惊,看股票花开花落;去留无意,望天空云卷云舒

关于对冲,大家有没有问题,一起讨论啊:biggrin...
无风险组合?like butterfly?
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旧 Sep 4th, 2009, 16:23     #2
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DELTA, GAMMA,THETA, VEGA

老愚有教材吗?
没有。
我记得问过你这些东东在实战中的运用,你当时说没用过。
难道你闭关修炼了九阴真经,现在神功初成?
快点招来!不然,
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旧 Sep 4th, 2009, 19:00     #3
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8月OE后偶就是用的上述战法

当时SPY103, 偶卖107的CALL买110的CALL,卖99的PUT买96的PUT, 得金1200

现在上述组合值960,赚240,如果9月30日之前SPY在99-107之间,我赚1200,

如果出现极端情况,SPY跌到98以下或涨到108以上,...
哈哈,XX所见略同吗。
你这个就叫bear put和bear call,收credit。
前两天我卖fslr 100put@3.4,买85put@1.2保护。
还有rimm 卖65/买55 put,比单买call心理踏实些,虽然少赚点,也有0.4/share。

不过我只卖put,不卖call。因为姚妖说了,道指要上万点!
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同样给你写几句,类似的炒法我用过很久,后来主力资金不做这个了,主要原因是
1。时间风险大,需要等到每个oe日。
2。出现极端情况,赔得也不少。
3。等待中会错过大行情。

有大资金,还不如买几只蓝筹股,吃分红,卖covered call更安全一些。
小资金,我觉得像老姚那样去博几把,增长...
不一定要等到oe日嘛,由利润时,随时cover就得。
我只恨自己资金少,不然的话,用大钱玩小钱,还是比较容易的。
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旧 Sep 4th, 2009, 21:22     #5
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双向的,怎么出?
你是问怎么同时cover卖的put和买的put吗?
你的broker做不了吗?
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旧 Sep 5th, 2009, 00:05     #6
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还是说你是怎么做的吧?
我用的是Thinkorswim,卖的时候一起卖,药买的时候也可一起买。
如fslr,我卖了oct 100/85 put,收credit 3.4-1.2=2.2
现在分别值 2.625/0.95,所以我平仓的话,就是2.625-0.95=1.675
赚了2.2-1.675=0.525
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DELTA, GAMMA,THETA, VEGA

老愚有教材吗?
帮东山兄备课了。


http://books.google.ca/books?id=NkSh...page&q=&f=true
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你这是单向的,你明白了吧。
不对!
这不仅是单向的,还有横盘的,还可以有一定的下跌空间,20块。
到期日只要不跌破100,我都可以赢。
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这个似乎比不服大师的还好。
风险在哪里,举个例子吧,谢谢!
风险是跌破100就开始亏,跌破85,就是max loss。15/share

不服不行的策略是股票+卖cover call,是适合慢牛股票。

个股不同,无所谓策略好坏。
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fslr一个暴跌,你那一千多就都填进去了。
你要想玩的长一点,还是买f卖call吧。
看看他的日线图就知道了。
暴跌到85以下的可能性不是没有,不过应该很小。
反弹到多高不知道,只要猪下去都行。
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其实,这些都不是什么高级战法,已经跑题了。
还是等东山兄亮剑吧。
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版主啊,你post出来过的没有马赛克的实例都已过时了,我去哪里找GREEKS捏,

你要把你现在拥有的POST出来我才能查到GREEKS, 朋友们才能实时研究啊,

我不是主角,你当配角也应当响应疯儿街人民的要求啊。
都挺谦让的嘛。
就研究一下FSLR如何?
几天前卖了Oct 100put,买了85put,分别是3.4和1.2
现在还值2.625和0.95
研究一下何时cover最佳?
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这个组合中 Delta=0.0354,这说明SPY每涨1块钱,我就赚0.0354,一个合同赚3.54,

即SPY现在102,涨到103,东山的10个合同赚35.4块;赚得有点少啊,但是,啪(拍了一

下胸),如果SPY跌到101,偶也只亏35.4块。这就是DELTA NEUTRAL要达到的...
即SPY现在102,涨到103,东山的10个合同赚35.4块;赚得有点少啊,但是,啪(拍了一

下胸),如果SPY跌到101,偶也只亏35.4块。这就是DELTA NEUTRAL要达到的效果,

涨跌对组合不起大的作用


你的意思是,你这个盘整策略,要尽量把delta弄的很小,如果小于theta就更好。这样可以每天收钱。

但问题是,如果spy快涨到118或者快跌到98时,delta会变成什么样?会变成负值呢对不对?
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愚兄说得很对,这就是风险,所以你不能把位置开得很大,卖100个,想一月赚12000,

有可能赔18000,那行啦,可以直接去海沙帮报到啦

原则上应该每天调一调,尽量保持DELAT为零,但散户的手段有限,就以不变应万变,以正

态来指导我们吧。

实际上东山在走巴非特路线,卖保险,...
原来上期权课的时候,老师提及过delta neutral这个概念,但当时不懂,所以没有深究。
这里还得谢谢东山兄的指点。很有收益。
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可以看出SEP18的这个组合DELTA是0.0863,SEP30的DELTA是0.0354,

所以短期组合对SPY的价格变动更敏感,波动更大,风险就更大,赚钱快,赔钱也快。


SEP18的这个组合GAMMA是-0.0636,SEP30的GAMMA是-0.0428,

GAMMA代表...
这里有点困惑。
按常理讲,期权越早到期对还在赚钱的收租策略应该来讲,越有利才对。怕夜长梦多嘛
假设spy918之前还在猪,918之后突然大幅异动,冲破盈利区间,那岂不竹篮打水?
但按东山兄的delta分析,也似乎有些道理。

不过,我提个醒,930的theta是0.023,918的theta是0.0375,随着时间的流逝,918的theta与930的theta之差值会越来越大。由此造成918option值比930option值贬的更快。
这样,即使918delta比930的大,也可能因为时间的关系而回天乏术。
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FSLR PRICE 121 DELTA GAMMA VEGA THETA
LONG OCT 100 PUT 0.1618 -0.0091 -0.0988 0.0855
SHORT OCT 85 PUT -0.0604 0.0039 0.0504 -0.0477

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这里要请问东山兄,delta neutral策略适合用在那种市道?
1。猪市?
2。牛+猪市?
3。熊+猪市?

因为按照这个fslr组合,如果股票大涨,造成delta大涨,这对我更加有利。因为我可以及早平仓。
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愚兄,祝贺你的FSLR.

你那个SPREAD赚了,但比较FSLR的走法还有保守,如果想到有今天,还能有更好的战法

吗?
当然是直接买call好了。
当时卖put的时候,是sep 2,fslr 115左右,由于不确定他反弹有多高,保守了点。
没赚大钱的命呀。

当天还卖了rimm 65/55put,现在也就赚了0.55/share,要是直接买call,少说要赚个100%了。
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东山兄,今天按你的方法,搞了个aapl的九月组合,帮我分析一下。
卖170put,买165put,2.6/1.26
卖180call,买185call,1.12/0.45

delta 53.75,gamma -23.07,theta 73.08

delta < theta
看看会不会每天收钱还是亏钱。
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你不是去听过我那个周日的讲座吗?记得最后散场的时候有一位女同学提问说买了1000股FSLR@124,问我要不要换成C,我说不要换,因为FSLR会有一波反弹行情。希望她真没有换。

我自己手上拿的就是单向call。

strategy的用法要根据行情和股票的特点运用。东山兄的这个希腊语解释帖子...
没错,后来星期二看他跌不大动的时候就卖了put,哪知道他反转了。

不过星期一我听你买的C jan10 call还在水下呀

现在炒股胆子小多了,连那位女同学都远远不如
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我发现自己成了老姚的反指。
凡是无脑跟了老姚的,都亏,8月的lvs call,prgn,fitb,现在的c
凡是想了想没有跟老姚的,都大涨。pxp,anr,mee,fslr,isrg,等等。

只有一个例外,sppi
老姚7.6喊跑,我没走,挺到了8.8,算是唯一的安慰。
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