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旧 May 20th, 2011, 12:54     #1
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lighting你最近老引用我的话,要考虑收你版权费啦

DAC到了Weiss DAC2这一级再往上走,差别应该是很小了,更多的是风格不同,声音素质都是没话说的。

前段时间经常去这个网站查review, http://www.gearslutz.com, 都是些专业人士在那里讨论,讲到DAC是说什么的都有,有的说天上地下的区别,有的说区别不大,看了半天也整不明白,干脆就买个便宜的先,以后攒够钱再说了。

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Hugoo 说得不错,看Review 真的很带劲,还什么欧洲声,瑞士声,让我想起了色友说的“德味”,把声音贴上高尚品牌标签,以利市场!

其实Weisis 不論是DAC2還是DAC202,应该评为是美国声才是,因为彻头彻尾是把美国设计copy 了过来:

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旧 May 20th, 2011, 13:10     #2
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lighting评评这个,很冷门的东西

Forsselltech MDAC-2
http://www.forsselltech.com/#!/products/5

用的class A discrete JFET, 专业界有人把它跟万元级的DAC比。
我好奇这class A discrete JFET是啥意思?厂家特别标出来这个是不是说有他的优势?


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Hugoo 说得不错,看Review 真的很带劲,还什么欧洲声,瑞士声,让我想起了色友说的“德味”,把声音贴上高尚品牌标签,以利市场!

其实Weisis 不論是DAC2還是DAC202,应该评为是美国声才是,因为彻头彻尾是把美国设计copy 了过来:

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旧 May 20th, 2011, 13:15     #3
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然后都回家吃饭啦, 发烧友也是要吃饭滴
你啥时有空,来我这坐坐。

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你为什么不先说说你的Aune2011,与DAC2 的听感差别,我等得春天都过了,也不见你的评测!
还有,聚会后,就一句谢谢Hugoo 的款待, 然后呢?
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旧 May 20th, 2011, 13:23     #4
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6moons的review也要加把盐再看,我买的那前级,是不错,可6moon说什么可比万元级的,我看还是有点吹牛,透明度还没我几百块的SPL高。

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说到用discrete,看看Burson Audio。他出产的discrete opamp很受DIY欢迎。
我最近就差点要买了他的HA-160D。

http://bursonaudio.com/HA_160D.html ("http://bursonaudio.com/HA_160...
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旧 May 20th, 2011, 13:44     #5
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我初烧菜鸟一个,那知道这个,他review上说是透明的很,能跟万元级的比透明,我傻x的就信了,坑爹呀,有木有!

再说了真要是mismatch了这种事情我那里搞的定,只有再换器材,那真就是疯了。

还是DAC直通好,少一个香炉少一个鬼,神马前级,都是浮云,我就想听录音师录音的时候的声音,回放器材啥也别改最好。

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高透明度就不叫preamp了。
要改变音色/tone,preamp应该是很有效的component。
你的Wyred4Sound可能跟你的后级mismatch了。
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旧 May 20th, 2011, 14:21     #6
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有道理。
只是碰上很多review优点一大堆,缺点轻描淡写,语焉不详,就没办法了。
还是能在家亲耳试过才真放心,不过现在Dealer能让你在家试的好像不多,而且dealer价钱都是with hugh markup。
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Yes, you are right, I read in many different places about solid discrete components can make a system sound much more "tube like", whatever it means..

But oh man.. they just can't tell you straight what they feel, it has to be buried deeply and put in such a confusing way..

I wonder if all reviewers are actually WOMEN! I am pretty bad when comes to dealing with women, probably that's why I am really bad reading across lines in those reviews too.. LOL.

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旧 May 20th, 2011, 16:12     #8
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You have to think what other components have been used in that review.. by the end of the day, the reviewer was listening to a WHOLE SYSTEM with player/pre-amp/power-amp/speakers/cables, each components can influence the sound, and the interactions between those components can also influence the sound as well.. so when you put this into your own system, you may or may not get what the reviewer felt during his review.

Bottom line is what he/she heard it is not just that one DAC, it is that entire system.

Always listen with your own ears in your own system if possible, review can be a starting point, but never put up your money solely based on someone's review..

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Bass is also better.

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对 Forsselltech MDAC-2 /class A discrete JFET,也一样,网上一定有可信的负面评论!我找找看。
谢谢! 过几天要记得汇报哟!
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Not only system dependent, also depends on people's expectations, their preference on sound, even their mood in that period of time when they listening to that gear..

This thing is such a moving target, until the moment you hear it yourself, you just cannot be sure!

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好久了,总算看你又浮出水面了

具体到DAC上用这种电路有什么优点和缺点呢?这可能是个很傻的问题,斗胆问一问高手。

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因该是:工作于甲类的结型场效应管分立元件放大电路。
这样的电路结构转换速率很高,记得有一个电路转换速率可达200V/uS.
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谢谢两位。看来分立的如果作的好质量过关还是有他的优势的。

这个forssell根本就不是针对发烧市场的,很少有烧友在用,都是专业的用在录音棚里,在pro audio圈子里颇有名气。

他们和很多专业厂象PRISMSOUND等都提供HOME DEMO服务,这点引起了我的兴趣,值得试试…反正不喜欢退回去就是了

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能做分立的,难在质量控制,和他们的设计测试水平,故障率一定会比集成高很多,在理论上,信号干扰会小许多,有利于音场和小信号的表现,还...
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是不是越高音质越好?

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因该是:工作于甲类的结型场效应管分立元件放大电路。
这样的电路结构转换速率很高,记得有一个电路转换速率可达200V/uS.
不过,手上有几个1000V/uS的运放
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期待!
哎,我是说等房价跌一点,换个大点的,然后就又可以折腾下器材的时候,才会去要DEMO,现在是先把准备功课作好,外加作作春梦罢了,真动手还不知道那年呢。

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