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旧 Feb 17th, 2011, 22:16     #1
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旧 Feb 17th, 2011, 22:25   只看该作者   #2
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旧 Feb 17th, 2011, 22:41   只看该作者   #3
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是啊,不过不但砸了fram,也砸了Bosch的,居然用的只是破白铁皮做的CAP,太烂了,这个cap要镀金的才够好,再次也得是不锈钢的才对得起价钱。
市面上有些的filter都很烂,像adelco的air filter好像就没有镶金边的,没有不锈钢架子的。
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旧 Feb 17th, 2011, 22:54   只看该作者   #4
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是啊,不过不但砸了fram,也砸了Bosch的,居然用的只是破白铁皮做的CAP,太烂了,这个cap要镀金的才够好,再次也得是不锈钢的才对得起价钱。
市面上有些的filter都很烂,像adelco的air filter好像就没有镶金边的,没有不锈钢架子的。
其实我觉得做成BMW那种形式的最好,不需要外来canister,车本身都自带了,你只需要更换原厂的filter media即可,这就免掉了什么medal end caps和cardboard end caps之类的争论。
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旧 Feb 17th, 2011, 23:46   只看该作者   #5
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其实我觉得做成BMW那种形式的最好,不需要外来canister,车本身都自带了,你只需要更换原厂的filter media即可,这就免掉了什么medal end caps和cardboard end caps之类的争论。
这样的比带铁皮的还贵。

我就用4块多的博士的,一次性网购好多个。
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旧 Feb 17th, 2011, 23:55   只看该作者   #6
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哎,我最杯具,Dealer卖的OEM filter太贵,我只能用FRAM,貌似贴着FRAM牌子的OEM filter.

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旧 Feb 18th, 2011, 00:11   只看该作者   #7
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哎,我最杯具,Dealer卖的OEM filter太贵,我只能用FRAM,貌似贴着FRAM牌子的OEM filter.

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你这个例外,不在议论的范围之内,CH9911实际上就是个rebranded Mann filter,专门为GTI使用的。你的车自己装备了canister和里面所需的anti drain back valve,不用外来的。

那种screw on的filter canister对内部滤芯的end caps有一定要求,最好是金属的,如果是cardboard的有可能遇热分解或者在canister内部发生位移。你的车的filter系统不存在这个问题。
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Honda, Nissan,Toyota几年前已经用Fram OEM.说明已经达到要求. 如果按照手册5,6千公里/4~5月换油filter完全能胜任.

去dealer换油的人如何控制呢?
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旧 Feb 18th, 2011, 01:04   只看该作者   #9
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Honda, Nissan,Toyota几年前已经用Fram OEM.说明已经达到要求. 如果按照手册5,6千公里/4~5月换油filter完全能胜任.

去dealer换油的人如何控制呢?
TOYOTA貌似没用FRAM来OEM吧,几年前还都是DENSO的,日本产的少,大都是泰国产的。现在就不知道了。

不过不少人都说日本产的比泰国产的好一些。

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/tec...mpetition.html

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旧 Feb 18th, 2011, 09:48   只看该作者   #10
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以下为个人见解,欢迎批评指正,志在研究啊。

现在聪明的屁股(smart ass)这么多,如果用这种设计有问题,fram早被告得倾家荡产了,对不对?

我的理解是:filter就是过滤用的,让液体无阻通过,颗粒留下来,那个用后的filter很难看,so what?它不能过滤了?破了?如果由于某种原因,到了非得金属cap才能hold住的地步,那时更薄的filter本身早就完了。

那张用手抓碎filter的照片不能说明什么,如果抓金属cap的一样不会好看--木桶原理,filter失效,cap再漂亮又怎样?--filter是过滤用的,如果有个大颗粒进入filter,先破的应该是filter本身。

有人宣称赛车时,油压高,导致filter失效喷了,但仍然,未见事实。

我们是在讨论设计对吧?生产质量是另外一回事,而且那些照片也是针对用cardboard的设计。

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如果3个月5000公里换油,什么filter都应该可以。还没听说过那个车因为filter的问题搞坏了。
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旧 Feb 19th, 2011, 12:29   只看该作者   #12
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以下为个人见解,欢迎批评指正,志在研究啊。

现在聪明的屁股(smart ass)这么多,如果用这种设计有问题,fram早被告得倾家荡产了,对不对?

我的理解是:filter就是过滤用的,让液体无阻通过,颗粒留下来,那个用后的filter很难看,so what?它不能过滤了?破了?如果由于...
同意这个。

另外油压高不会损坏油滤。那个bypass valve就干这事,而且这个bypass valve只会stuck open,不会 stuck close。还有机油压力过高是不能把油滤搞坏的,机油泵或其他地方有另一个oil pressure bypass valve来控制机油压力。两个bypass valve 也没有机会一起坏。
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You all have missed the point, this isn't just an argument about whether metal end caps are better than cardboard end caps, but also to show how overpriced Fram filters are compare to their competitors, who have much better build quality for the price.
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旧 Feb 19th, 2011, 22:48   只看该作者   #14
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Honda原厂的parts质量很好. 其实学理功的动脑子想想就知道的事情. 全铝合金的engine, 3~4月就换的filter, 如果用大厂的机油, OEM filter应该满足要求了. 有些人非说什么铁cap, 多几个摺就好得不得了.否则就是bad filter, 吹毛求疵的说了.
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